Was thinking the other day for no reason at all about software that I've actually enjoyed using over the years, and I had to think really hard on that. I'm probably showing my age and romanticizing things, but Winamp definitely meets that bar. As does the IRC client mIRC. Probably what I liked most about these programs is while they got frequent updates, their basic functionality remained the same, familiar, and very usable. You know, the opposite trajectory of most modern software. Also, they were so familiar I could use them with my eyes closed.
Is there any software that fills you with positive thoughts/associations? Why?
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •EDT on the Vax: a visual editor with a clean command & macro language. Neither verbose nor cryptic.
Michael Halligan 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I think VLC is a great piece of software. It has worked almost flawlessly for me for 22 or 23 years now. The last problem I had with it was in 2008 or 2009 when it would crap out on one specific type of encoding.
I also really loved omnigraffle and omnioutliner. They really embodied the Apple desktop design philosophy. Omnigraffle wasn’t as powerful as Visio, but it had a far superior UI and was 1/4 the price.
BrianKrebs
in reply to Michael Halligan 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ • • •DonatellaInCali
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •@mhalligan
I still use it often on Ubuntu tho
Michael Halligan 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Winamp and mirc were great
all of my modern examples are open source software, as it still seems to largely be made by people that use it and are driven to improve it to make it more usable rather than profits, but obviously that's a trend rather than a hard rule
Bob
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •iView Media Pro. Did wat it needed to do, could use scripts. But then it was bought by MicroSoft, then Phase One.
Image Ingester Pro. Simple, yet efficient. No longer maintained.
Both no longer work on newer versions OSX/ Mac and haven't found a good replacement for either. Now I make do with a couple of other programs.
Even older (back when I still had a PC) was Ventura Publisher (before Corel purchased it). I still think it worked easier then Adobe InDesign.
LonM
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •RazoeS
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •firefox. I mean think about it, I started using it at the same time as those examples yet I still do today!
Reminds me I better make a donation.
Ehay2k for Harris
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Will Dormann
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •From the days when we were all burning optical media: DVDisaster
The idea: When you burn a disc that isn't completely full, any unused sectors are truly wasted. This app uses them for extra ECC data. Here are screenshots from when I gouged a CD with a key, and then subsequently read the data from the scratched disc, without a single bit lost.
It's a nice example of a simple app that solves a real-world problem.
Jeni Tehan
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Back when I had to use Windows, I really enjoyed drawing diagrams with Visio.
Then Microsoft bought it and rendered it unusable 😠
Dave Wilburn :donor:
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •https://www.mresoftware.com/
It was so intuitive. So solid. I'd use it today if it would work on Linux.
I was so impressed that I purchased it.
It seems simple...but it was very powerful and quick.
MRE Software - Website design
www.mresoftware.comHadeur
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •The jump from Windows 98 to Windows 2000, it looked so nice and you could finally kill a single task without rebooting the whole system.
Also, apart from mIRC, Miranda as an alternative ICQ client.
Mark Stosberg
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Fuzzel: A great dmenu and rofi alternative for Wayland
Mark StosbergJim Lillicotch
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Way back when, AOL gave away a very cool tool called AOL Press. Taught me that anyone could easily learn HTML, capitol letter tags and all
Chewie
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I miss winamp.
Qmmp is close, but not the same 🙁
One that is nice, has a great interface and does a few things, but does them well is Keepass2Android: https://github.com/PhilippC/keepass2android
Since I started using a smartphone about 6 years ago I have used this nearly daily.
2 programs I have discovered recently are Localsend and KDE Connect, which are both great at transferring data between devices simply and without needing cloudy crap.
GitHub - PhilippC/keepass2android: Password manager app for Android
GitHubRobbie Coleman :verified:
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •JustChapman
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Daniel
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Thinking back in time I would say Winamp aswell. Only positive memories using it.
Regarding the present I would say vim/neovim. Over all those years using it on different platforms and in different situations, it has always been that one "feels home" piece of software.
Dan Piponi
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Demon's static IP and user control of SMTP mail helped as well.
jackcole
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Rob
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •* Notepad++
* TickTick
* PocketCasts
* Linux desktop (I tend to use Debian-based distros)
* Ivory (on iOS/ iPad)
* Day One
* Google Keep
* Signal
* Gmail
* (going to get some hate here) Microsoft Edge
We’re currently experiencing a golden age of software right now that’s highly functional, easy to use and low cost.
Walt :ani_clubtwit:🚀
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •InfoSelect (formerly Tornado Notes)
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/infoselect-PONg9PY7T6CI8Y__hNzarg
InfoSelect
Perplexity AIAlex
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •though at the time I wasn't really a Windows user, the few tools that pop to mind are the Linux versions, really...xmms, ircii, and configuring the window manager.
It was new and casual and fun.
Dan Q
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Every Opera version back when it was shareware.
The original installer for Command & Conquer.
MS-DOS's EDIT.COM.
And yes: WinAmp. Oh, WinAmp. So good.
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The only things that give me the same kind of feeling nowadays are tools like curl. Familiar, reliable, up-to-date but backwards-compatible. A joy to use every time.
rateexportpilot
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Paul Hoffman
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Soldier of FORTRAN :ReBoot:
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Windows 98
It was familiar, but added features, was easy to use and customize and didn't crash, that often.
Cybergeist CTI
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •DEVONthink. Encrypted at rest and end-to-end, sync via my own server. I dump everything into it, from Markdown notes and annotated PDFs to archived copies of web pages. It's fast and rock solid.
Also, rsync. Single most useful command line utility. If I ever met Tridge I'd buy him a beer.
Mick 🇨🇦
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Do you remember PageMaker?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_PageMaker
one of the first desktop publishing programs
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Amoshias
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •also:
1. WinAmp set a gold standard for being user configurable and customizable.
2. It really whips the llama's ass.
Bill Seitz
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/InfoDepot
InfoDepot
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Total Commander makes Windows liveable for me, and using it extensively hides many of the changes to the platform over the decades. Before that, DOS Navigator played the same role.
Since you mentioned Winamp, we might as well remember foobar2000 too, which has remained just as faithful to its core. It’s still as lean and snappy as it was twenty years ago.
Henry Gessau
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •cyber_qc
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Emmy - Dial Tone *biiiiip*
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I loved both of those!
The best software I've ever used was Solidworks. It's a CAD program that has a very nice tutorial to get started, but that's not the good part.
Mechanical drawings use callouts that are simple arithmetic results of other dimensions. You can just type formulas into the dimension field. If you have something that's 7mm thick that's at the end of a 75mm length, you can type 75+7 into the field.
Not sure they pioneered that, but they did it right.
kdgregory
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Mcrosoft Word and Excel, at least the Office-97 versions that I run on an air-gapped Windows XP VM.
IMO these represent the peak of Microsoft's usability work: it just seems that everything you need is well organized and easy to find (but maybe that's 30+ years of experience talking). The "ribbon" was definitely a step backward.
They also have far more features than I, a relatively sophisticated user has ever needed -- including creating a 500+ page technical book circa 1990.
bassistance
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •@frankrausch
On Android, I really enjoy AnkiDroid (flash cards / spaced repetition learning). I've used it daily for years and it has only gotten better. The main learning UX hasn't changed.
My favorite detail: I can configure the end of the day, for example to finish my days cards until 4am. Most apps have that fixed at midnight, even though its often inconvenient.
Mike Plemmons
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Christian Kothe
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •nerdwoman
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I'll second everyone saying Winamp and VLC, and add on Steam, both for what it has done for Linux gaming and for the fact that it generally just works. I've never had to troubleshoot - just run updates. Clunky UI aside, I can still find things the same way decades later.
Minor shoutout to every plaintext gui editor out there doing the heavy day to day lifting for me. Mousepad, notepad, etc, y'all great and reliable.
Frank Küsel
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •phi1997
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Video games are software, and there are many I've enjoyed, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're talking about.
I'll go with Godot, personally
csh
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I have a notepad app on my phone (Simple Notepad by mightyfrog) that is simple but very useful and I love it. With my most recent phone upgrade I found that it's not available anymore. I now have the apk file backed up various places so I don't lose it.
My other favorite software is DeskCalc which is an adding machine type calculator. Nothing has changed about it since I first started using it and it does everything I need it to do.
OOTS
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I could name dozens of video games I enjoyed, which are technically software. Do they count?
One way or another, +1 for Signal.
quixote
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Debian. Thunderbird. Ye Olde Firefox (pre-chromification), currently using Waterfox. Vlc. For the reasons you mention: updated, but don't mess with userspace (thank you, Linus!), and very functional.
And not trying to sell me anything or rip anything off.
Ron Bowes
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I've gotten so used to all the software and services I use trying to lead me towards monetization. I build emotional barriers so when the software is discontinued / enshittified / monetized / ruined it doesn't hurt as much.
Like others have said, my opensource stack is stuff I can actually like - vim, tmux, fluxbox, stuff like that. They're built for me, configurable, and aren't trying to sell me anything.
MikeG
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Insanitree
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Dave "Wear A Goddamn Mask" Cochran :donor:
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Irfanview is a teeny-tiny (used to be small enough to fit on a floppy disk; no idea if that's still the case) image viewer.
'sgot a slide-show mode with customizable settings (e.g. "do you want to see every thing in a dir, with/out subdirs? do you want a custom list of files? do you want fixed or random order? auto-progress or wait for input?), by default lets you go through the entire dir of the current image, batch rename/convert (with all SORTS of settings), lets you resize images, can (with plugins) handle audio, video, even PDFs, probably a bunch more stuff that i'm not graphically-inclined enough to know about.
oh and it's free, just like it has been for the last 20+ years.
https://www.irfanview.com/
#notsponsored
IrfanView - Official Homepage - One of the Most Popular Viewers Worldwide
www.irfanview.comJoe Fahs
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Yes, WinAMP is on that list, as is it's Linux clone XMMS.
Firefox comes close. It's mostly been a stable and pleasant experience that keeps me in control of my browsing experience.
And as a programmer I love Emacs and have used it for decades, though, sadly(?), VSCode has replaced it for coding these days.
Alex White-Robinson
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I like vim, and steam (with proton), and sublime text, and Firefox.
...maybe I just like software that solves more problems for me than it creates.
Air Adam
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •La Ursidinoj (Bjornsdottirs)
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •FanControl falls into this category.
It works and updates generally don't mess with core functionality 🙂
https://getfancontrol.com/
Fan Control
getfancontrol.comLinh Pham
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I still use WinAMP on a Windows VM once a week to go through and tag a bunch of podcasts that I download and organize manually. The ID3 tag editor, while showing its age, is simple and is quick to use.
Doing the same task in Foobar2000 or other Linux ID3 tag editors isn't quite as fast or efficient... at least for me.
Twalzer
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Mose
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •madcap :ciberlandia:
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •although often cited for being outdated, I still enjoy using Thunderbird and I'm not a fan of its new UI changes.
I also have good memories of using Eudora.
Snail
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •it's really the opposite of what you asked but this thread made me realise I really miss newsgroups.
"trn" was the pinnacle reader, curses based and let you easily navigate with a few key presses and easily trim branches that didn't interest you.
I've never seen a web based "forum" that has come anywhere near that functionality or ease of use.
(Someone else mentioned BBSes, I have a 30 year old account on one whose interface is the same as in the 90's and I'm fine with that too)
Rob Pomeroy
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •FreeCommander (like NC/MC). Been using that for many many years. (And eventually I stumped up some - completely discretionary - cash.) It's probably the first thing I install on any rebuild, because File/Windows Explorer remains obnoxious.
https://freecommander.com
More recently (in the last 5 years), I've developed a great liking for Tabby Terminal, and made a voluntary donation to that project too. Indispensable multi-shell terminal program. (I use it with Cmder and PowerShell and to manage dozens of SSH connections. Haven't really needed to use PuTTY since discovering this.)
https://tabby.sh
After that, tools that add massive value for me:
I sorely miss WordPerfect from the good old days (early 90s). No word processor, including its own later incarnations, ever came close. "Reveal Codes" FTW!
Tabby - a terminal for a more modern age
tabby.shMartin
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Because.
Paul Rosen
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •This is kind of niche - `Transcribe!` does it for me. All the keyboard shortcuts do exactly what I expect, the mouse selection is really convenient, and it has a smooth UI that is a joy to interact with. And it is really useful for figuring out tunes from recordings!
More generally, I loved Stickies on a Macbook. It just does a thing - let's you write as many notes as you want and put them anywhere on the screen.
CatSalad🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :blobcatrainbow:
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Bill Rosetti
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Peter Dodemont
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Winamp and MSN messenger with addons. I had so much fun customising it to my wants.
Si Dawson
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Oh yeah mIRC! That was fantastic. Enormously extensible, too. The things you could do with it were just incredible (things I prolly shouldn’t discuss in public, haha)
and winamp, 100%. It def earned that ass whipping title.
emmatonkin
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Yakuake. Something about the way it just scrolls in on cue sparks joy in a way most don't. With vim, grep and sed, which I concede are not pretty but they're just so effective.
Hp48 emulator is probably t'other half's favourite thing, bar none, though I suspect that's only because the actual calculator has gone missing.
Kee Hinckley
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •On the Mac side.
LaunchBar is one. Usually the very first thing I install. I don't want to use the mouse when launching apps.
Default Folder X is another. The X is the version for MacOS 10, which means I've been using it since the original MacOS. The company has been around so long that I think the son took it over from their father. Just enhances the open/save dialogs, and keeps up with every OS update.
1Password hasn't stayed simple, but it's kept up with the latest in privacy and security while actually getting easier to use.
And then there are two companies whose products are always spot on. So much so that I own almost all of them. Omni (for drawing, todos, organizing...) and RogueAmoeba for all things sound. They both stay focused, and pay exquisite attention to their UIs while making everything extensible as well.
pyrrhlin
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Colin McMillen
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Trusty projects that don't fuck up your muscle memory every six months.
Allpoints
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Bob K Mertz
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Trillian pops up in my mind.... They stayed on top of all the protocols but I never really felt like I was having to relearn something.
I also miss Norton Ghost.... But not the whole thing... Just the little exe you could put on a bootable floppy and copy nearly any hard drive.
Duncan Bayne
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •* FreeBSD
* SBCL
* bash-my-aws
* Ruby
Wendy Nather
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Roger Sherman :vim:
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Martin
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Deepnest - open source nesting software
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Tommy Thorn
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Keybase Chat. Prople will point out that it’s been abandoned, but it still gets rare bugfixes but no features and just works.
UI stability is a massive feature. I feel awful for all the pointless reeducation I have had to provide my aging parents because MS & Apple are obsessed with fixing what worked.
Jason Davis
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Chris ⚛️
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Alien software, human hardware
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •my Linux bash shell.
AwesomeWM window manager.
vim
FreeCAD
Soulseek in the late 90s. Spent hours nosing through other peoples music.
Benjamin Schmidt
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •m271
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in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Michael Dwyer
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •There are things I hate about Putty, but it's a workhorse.
On the rare chance I need to edit a sound file, I drag out Goldwave.
Thunderbird has been my email program for decades now.
I'd still be using Opera as my browser, but it went evil. Vivaldi is almost everything that was great about Opera in a Chromium browser.
Oh, and VLC for certain!
Dale Hagglund
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I have to admit I really enjoy using the unix shell, and assembling short pipelines on the fly to solve my exact immediate problem. It has literally made me giggle.
(To complete my self-indictment as a hopeless geek, I'll add that yes, I that I am firmly in the emacs camp, although pretty fluent in vi as well.)
Morten Juhl-Johansen
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •For a long time, #K3B was THE tool for anything along the lines of creating optical media. I was running Gnome 2 and still pulled in half a KDE just to have K3B.
#Abiword. I never understood why Abiword didn't win any and every regular user. I have landed jobs and written BA paper in Abiword, and I missed zero features.
I never saw #Claws Mail as pretty or with good default settings. But when I would install it, put in Elementary icons and adjust the columns, it would be a great mail client for a fairly large mailbox run from a fairly weak PC - at a time then Thunderbird would be running in circles for hours searching for an email and have a design useless for 1024x768.
david_chisnall
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •I didn’t think I’m about it when I first read this because I somehow forget I spend 90% of my time using it: Apple’s Terminal. It has a lot of small attention-to-detail things and I miss at least some of them on any alternative that I’ve tried.
It uses the same keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste as every other app on the system, which isn’t possible on Windows where they had to work around the limitations of ‘80s IBM PC keyboard or most *NIX environments where they copied bad ideas from Windows without thinking.
It sets an environment variable to a UUID in each window. Most terminals do this now, but it also supports Sudden Termination and, if you force quit it will restart with all of the windows where they were and with the same UUID, so each terminal can persist its history separately. I also use it to automatically reconnect remote ssh sessions, so I can reboot the machine for software updates and not lose state on remote machines.
I didn’t think of this as a feature until I used the Windows terminal (which can’t do it) but you can pull tabs out as new windows or attach them to existing ones.
Clicking multiple times in the terminal selects to sensible boundaries (word, bracket matching, and so on).
All of the man pages are exposed in the help menu. When you type a word in the help menu’s search box, as well as searching the internal help it will search the system manual and, if you select one of these, will pop up a new terminal window with that manual page in it (with a yellow background so you can find and close it easily).
Most of all, it simply gets out of my way. It doesn’t try to upsell me to AI nonsense or anything, it just quietly provides me with features that I discover and then want to use.
rdm
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Brandon Downs
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Transmit, from Panic.
Clean, slick UI, and all-around well built.
Duane Dunston, Ed.D.
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •sergeeo
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Cockos Reaper
Foobar 2000
VLC
HexChat
bahuroopi
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •This will not qualify as a single program, but I love how pressing just the "Super" key in #GNOME (since GNOME 3) allows you to view all the open windows in all of your workspaces and also to search for any file or utility or app (even ones not installed)!
I find the conceptual unity in this design stunningly brilliant!!!
Jonas
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •@catsalad
Jaanus Kase
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •@marioguzman I am working on @tact because of exactly this reason
Previously in my life I worked on global scale messaging products that all ended up enshittified because of course they did
So now I am just making one for myself and my friends that we enjoy using
cherti
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Signal, because after spending years of time and effort trying to popularize privacy-preserving technology particularly with non-tech people, Signal has finally build something that is pretty painless to use and actually just works.
Convincing people still takes some effort often times, but compared to what we had before, this actually works and people do continue to use it.
Having done workshops on e-mail encryption in the past, Signal is just such a very refreshing experience 😁
rangerwinslow
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •Vi! Heck, most any Unix stuff before the proliferation of GUI muckiness. Clean, easy, and once you find your groove, learning new skills flows like water.
The various desktop environments may have made it prettier, but in many aspects makes things more baffling to noobs. Because they don’t end up building the same mental map of how things interact.
iooioio
in reply to BrianKrebs • • •